So my question is what is your side on this? And please elaborate.
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possesedbythedevil666
Nov 14 '14
I sat around on occasion thinking what it would be like to live in a satanic utopia and pondered wether or not it is even possible. I came to two possible conclusions. One being a group of satanists form there own country with social Darwinism as the law of the land. This successeds in that everyone can resepect everyones personal bounderies and freedom to express themselves, thouse that fail to do this and especially those likened to the westboro babtist church and freeloaders (ie psychic vampires) those that I consider weak, are completely and stematically rooted out. Although given the diversity of Satanism and thoughs that identify with it I also thought that it may be doomed to fail from the onslought in as far as finding a single geographical area of the globe. If we can't on Satan being an animorphic being or a symble then how can we be expected to agree on a single area of the globe to start as so much as a small village? But if we can agree upon a wide aria that has a wide range of livable natural habitation such as wooded areas, an area that stays warm most of the year like California and yet an area similar to Washington state, etc. Actually that whole area from California to Washington might be ideal. Plenty of woods, beaches and the environment is just right, but givan the rarity of us I highly doubt that we could raise the funding and given the rarety of finding such an area on the globe that isn't already being inhabited by humans, how practical is it for us to purchase and start towns or even small area tribes of satanists?
Member Khandnalie
Nov 14 '14
Well, I think that's kind of contrary to the idea of Satanism as a whole (ONA and their craziness notwithstanding, since I know this is something of an idea they advocate)
Satanism is, almost by definition, an adversarial belief system. The point of being a Satanist is to go against the grain of society wheresoever that grain infringes upon one's will. If Satanists were to become the majority of any given area, I would think that we would rather quickly disintegrate under the weight of too many rebels trying to rebel against the idea of rebellion. This is the reason that we don't proselytize (that, and it's annoying). Satanism isn't for everyone. We will never have the majority of just about anything, and that's the way it should be.
And besides, your proposed society only takes into account the Rand/LaVeyan political philosophy within Satanism. I, for one, am very anti-Social-Darwinism.
And even besides that - they've tried Ayn Rand Fantasy Camp before. Whenever a bunch of rich libertarians get uppity and "go Galt" together and try to start a new society, it always ends up crumbling instantly.
Anna
Nov 14 '14
those that I consider weak, are completely and stematically rooted out.
I heartily support social Darwinism.
Idiots who can't spell properly and persistent trolls should be put into gas chambers. What say you?
nith
Nov 14 '14
A society of everyone out for their own ends and back stabbing to get there, isn't this already the base ground we are in?
The idea that laws cover the actions of many so some in power can get what they want is a basic idea under “Might makes Right”. How a person actually interacts in that society can be shown as interaction, adversary, fringe dwelling or ignore.
LeVi Lockwood
Nov 14 '14
I agree with everything that has been said thus far. Living in a commune of Satanists would suck in my opinion...not because of the Satanists but because of the commune.
Any time you get too much of one singular belief or ideology in one geographic location it tends to suck. It doesn't matter what the ideology is. Even if it was a commune where bacon is served for every meal and free blowjobs (or mustache rides...don’t want to be sexist) are handed out like candy.
The point is even if you love bacon and oral sex...after a month you’d probably kill for a steak and some good old doggy style. At least I know I would.
I would offer this up as food for thought:
I think that we live in a Satanic utopia right now (or at least those of us who live in America...I can’t speak for anyone else).
As an American Satanist I kind of feel like a seagull in a landfill. It might not be the prettiest or cleanest place on earth. As a matter of fact there’s a pretty good chance you may end up stepping on an HIV positive needle or eating an Ebola contaminated hot dog, but at the end of the day there is a lot of shit to play with and no one’s really watching (except for the NSA of course).
Do I like the fact that I live in a world where I spent the entire week being bombarded by the same stupid memes about Kim Kardashian’s ass...not really (let me clarify...I’m just as fond of a naked female ass as the next heterosexual swinging dick...but after the first hundred views it kind of loses it’s luster….and there was a lot of luster on that ass...I bet Johnson and Johnson made a killing off all the baby oil the sold to cover that thing...but I digress).
Do I like stupid people?...No, but they are entertaining.
Do I like bullshit political ads that are designed to make you feel like you are important? No, but it’s entertaining.
As a Satanist I like my toys (i.e. people) and I like my pastimes, and I like that I live in an environment where I can enjoy them freely.
The Forum post is edited by LeVi Lockwood Nov 14 '14
Member Berardo Rodriguez
Nov 14 '14
It inspires me to know this is a SATANIC INTERNATIONAL NETWORK , and it's not a SATANIC USA, therefore I have to understand that I will meet satanist people from around the world , not just English speaking people, but satanist that live in other countries who are doing the best they can to get the KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE of the English speaking satanists. This is an INTERNATIONAL NETWORK, and other satanists who speak English as their second language are working harder to interact with the satanists whose first language is English. Obviously, and for sure the ESL satanists know about the ' decent grammar and spelling" , and they try their best to give a clearer post, but " there is always a hair in the soup" , this is not a justification for critical English grammar mistakes, but an understanding of the effort that the satanists of other countries besides the English speaking countries are doing.
Possesedbysatan666: Dimitri gave you 20 years for any satanist country or society to collapse or crumble apart, I could give you 5 years. To me, it's very impossible to have a satanist country, perhaps we could have small satanist communities, enjoying a carnal paradise, but no more than an small group of people, remember we are rebels, we don't let nobody to dominate us , we are free, therefore we practice the individualism which it's contrary to the world pluralism.
possesedbythedevil666
Nov 15 '14
i thank everyone involved in this post. It seems to be the general consensus that a satanic comunity in a single city based only on satanists beyond social networks is out right impractical and there for wouldn't last very long. This was just an idea I had in my head and thought I'd get outside opinions on this.
Special thanks tu luz for proof reading my original post. I usually try to have the best grammer but I also recognize the fact that being human means making mistakes, learning from them and taking every precoution to not repeat the same mistakes. So once again thanks to luz for hammering out my original post so it is simpler to read.
Anna
Nov 15 '14
It's a shame to ignore someone's opinion because they happen to spell poorly in a certain language.
Oh Luz, I'm really sorry I hurt your delicate feelings once again. But wasn't the OP suggesting regular and systematic garden cleaning as the law of his Satanic Utopia? Well... in that case, he would be the first one to serve as compost. Be careful what you wish for.
Anna
Nov 16 '14
Did you learn English from the Polish ONA guys?
I teach them English. If you want to join my class, you're welcome. After a couple of months of such education, nobody here will recognize good old Luz. ;)
Anna
Nov 16 '14
I'd like a word with your pupils... As an Eastern European Satanist, I'd rather talk to them than to their Christian English teacher. I want to hear from them how people who cannot spell or who are trolls should be made soap of. (I'd like my news from the source.)
I'll tell you a secret. Actually, the ONA in Poland works for the Catholic Church so it's only natural they have a Christian English teacher. To put it bluntly: Some people are total douchebags and as such they are a real nuisance when they are alive. It would be better if they disappeared. There is one problem though. We, Christians, preach God's mercy and forgiveness for the sinners so it would be a bit indecent if we murdered them. So... we tell the ONA to remove the fucktards. In this way, we have clean hands. :)
Mod Orgasmic Karmatic.
Nov 16 '14
Personally, I have no interest in living in a community of only Satanists. I already live with one and he's a handful to be around 24/7 as it is!
Regardless of the similar values in life philosophy, you should take a better look at the forums around here and it will give you a good impression on how a real world "Satanic Utopia" would end up. Actually, you only have to go by this one thread. But I digress.
Possesedbysatan666: Dimitri gave you 20 years for any satanist country or society to collapse or crumble apart, I could give you 5 years.
I give you less than that. In fact, I would be willing to bet that the majority of Satanists that got together to try this whole thing out would be gone or dead before even reaching the area in which you were trying this experiment out.
Why?
Well, personally, I don't feel like living with a bunch of Satanists. Don't know how Zach does it as I am a fairly anti-social individual. I'm easily irritated and I like being isolated for more than a little bit of time. I don't need anyone distracting me. Plus, ya'll are assholes. Assholes I like but assholes nonetheless.
Do I like stupid people?...No, but they are entertaining.
Do I like bullshit political ads that are designed to make you feel like you are important? No, but it’s entertaining.
You see, in a Satanic Utopia (my understanding being a world of primarily Satanic ways and Satanists) those things would still exist. And abundantly. Again, just reference the forums.
LeVi Lockwood
Nov 16 '14
You see, in a Satanic Utopia (my understanding being a world of primarily Satanic ways and Satanists) those things would still exist. And abundantly. Again, just reference the forumsI agree.
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Felltyde
Nov 16 '14
I think Satanist work best in small groups or individually, behind the scenes. If there ever were such a society, chances are most of its inhabitants would be clueless in regard to their Satanic puppet masters.
Overall Satanist don't play well with others, including other Satanist. And this is perhaps a good thing...power corrupts...in the right hands a Satanic society would be law abiding, ordered, cultured, and exceedingly powerful. In the wrong hands it would be a despotic nightmare with restricted freedoms, overly harsh punishments, and repressive beyond measure.
So I guess the question becomes, how much do you trust human nature?
Me? Not much at all.
Overall Satanist don't play well with others, including other Satanist. And this is perhaps a good thing...power corrupts...in the right hands a Satanic society would be law abiding, ordered, cultured, and exceedingly powerful. In the wrong hands it would be a despotic nightmare with restricted freedoms, overly harsh punishments, and repressive beyond measure.
So I guess the question becomes, how much do you trust human nature?
Me? Not much at all.
possesedbythedevil666
Nov 17 '14
Okay it is decided that there is no way so much as a village let alone a major city of openly satanic citizens will actually survive past 5 years except becoming socialist. Therefore I declare that this discussion to be dead and I personnely remove myself from any further discussion on this forum thread.
Awesome_Sauce666
Jan 6 '15
Sure.....if you're into that hippy dippy shit. I've come to notice that most Satanists aren't into the whole love everyone equally. Because lets face it, love handed out Willy nilly is pointless and makes love to be nothing more than a novelty. That and there are too many cus he nuggets out there that I could never fathom being chummy with.
The Forum post is edited by Awesome_Sauce666 Jan 6 '15
Shawn
Jan 6 '15
@OP:
Exactly how am I trusting human nature in the context of the question and in what way is it different from the current state? (Are we currently having to trust ROBOT nature?)
The Forum post is edited by Shawn Jan 6 '15
Chapter Head johnnywatts
Feb 24 '15
The moment a Satanist government forms, and a President of this government is selected (yes, selected. Democracy is anti-Satanic), someone somewhere else will begin grumbling and declare themselves President. And so on and so forth.
The utopia will crumble very quickly, as it splits off into ever-smaller groups, with each claiming to be the TRUE representation of Satanists.
This will go on until everyone has declared themselves President of their own little group.
Don't believe me? Just look at how the CoS started to splinter the moment something was achieved (fame, glory usually). Look at how The Satanic Temple became the TST and The Satanic Coalition.
It's almost as if Satanists don't have the ability to join forces for any reason for any period of time.
JasinElric
Feb 26 '15
It's almost as if Satanists don't have the ability to join forces for any reason for any period of time.
This is because Satanism is too arbitrary for unification. It's like having a nation built upon a foundation of liking Oreos.
Joining forces to attain a goal is possible for Satanists, we've all seen it done before, but as you say, there's a time limit. I think most organizations work out that way. In time, if the organization does not entirely disband, their original function is generally lost. This goes for political parties all the way down to the local indi-rock bands.
