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You have brought up some good points. However, I respectfully disagree with your position for the following reasons:1) "There can never be a diocese of Satanism. It could only be accomplished by slave morality or other ape-like actions." 2) "It is seriously like walking in a forest..."
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1) In the LHP community, we don't necessarily need a hierarchical structure. Even if we did have a hierarchical structure of sorts, it would only exist to serve the greater community populus as a whole by foster a sharing of ideas, knowledge, and friendship in such a way that growth due to external stimulation would enhance the individual. We can only grow so much on our own; our own perspectives are limited. There doesn't need to be a slave mentality or brain-dead following to come together to teach, learn, and grow.

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2) Even those who only have a common interest of walking in a forest have plenty to discuss. Such discussion may involve types of trees, forest animals, geographical preferences, types of landscape, etc. and they can even share the same experience together while having a difference in priorities for what they value along the walk.

Baphomets:

I understand where you are coming from. What you talk about is something that has been on my mind for years. However, I would like to present a differing viewpoint.

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1) "A meeting place for LHP practitioners would end up like the Greater Church of Lucifer, burned".

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This is definitely a major concern and something that should be taken seriously. As such, we must consider the following flaws with the approach taken by the GCOL and how they were received. 1# There was a great amount of publicity and a media frenzy Michael W. Ford stirred up during the time of its opening. This publicity opens lines of danger, especially as an adversarial religion. 2# The GCOL was established right in the heart of the Bible belt in a radical Christian area. 3# They were right off a main town street and a continual commercial reminder to the people.

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The following actions could have been taken to better the existence of the Lucifierian presence in Spring, TX: 1# Advertisement through word of mouth through the LHP grapevine to keep the hidden of the occult where it should remain... hidden, would have produced less disruption and uproar. Thus, be safer for those who should know anyways. 2# To thrust Satan into the heart of the Bible belt was not the wisest of decisions. The boiling a frog parable. 3# It would have been best to open such a church in a more secluded area, away from the protests, attacks, and other such hateful violence which they were inevitable to suffer.

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2) "To have a leader means there has to be followers. And who is for an LHP organization full of a bunch of dumb sheep?"

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In general, I believe there is a LOT of negative connotations unnecessarily associated with the word 'follower(s)'. Following isn't a negative attribute for an LHP practitioner. Choosing to follow the wrong people/advise is where the flaws lie. As we all follow something. We are all leaders of our own lives and thus the direction we walk along the LHP. However, we are guided by what we follow in the form of the wisdom of those who came before us. The more we study, the more we are following others through what they have to say. We take into consideration their experiences and evaluate what they present and then decide how we will lead our lives based upon that information. In my humble opinion, LHP practitioner will never be a great leader without first being a great follower; this is our guiding force in life.

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Having our own way to reach out to other LHP practitioners through the form of books, websites, videos, etc. are all amazing things! I definitely agree. It creates an availability of knowledge. Even if an individual cherry-picks out whatever they want, that is fine. It still has an impact and was of positive value to the community as a whole.

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3) "Through personal experience, solitary practice brings incredible strength and growth, but as soon as someone else is invited into the mix the energy and outcomes are disrupted."

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I will never attempt to discredit the personal experiences of you or any other. After all, they are what shape our guiding nature in life and build us towards who we are today as we continually strive towards our apotheosis. Please, don't take this personally, one little bit I would like to pick at is the idea that inviting others into the mix disrupts the energy and outcomes. Respectfully, this appears to me to be a misunderstanding of events which transpired. The correlation of the disruption of energy and outcomes may have been wrongfully attributed to the causation of inviting other people into the mix. If someone disrupts the energy and outcomes, they were probably not a good fit to mix in to begin with. This is no different than making a new friend. Don't allow their negativity to become a harmful impact to your life. Otherwise, it was a bad choice to bring them into your life from the start.

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The LHP community as a whole can only seek the betterment of itself by pulling tighter to itself. Drawing power from those around to add it to your own will always make you stronger than the self alone.

I appreciate what it is that you bring to the table and for sharing with us. I would be interested to getting to know what projects you are working on as I would love to promote such in a couple of months once I get my website relaunched. I'm always interested in what other individuals are working on.

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Yes, I understand completely. The Mormons only care about those who will buy into their beliefs. If you aren't going to give in, you are a waste of their time and they aren't afraid to let anyone know that, but through my experiences they usually let people know in a more polite and professional way. Still, it is the "buy or get out" mentality they embrace and bow down to rather than a mentality of grace for everyone. They have an agenda that becomes clear once you have been around long enough.

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I'm sorry you had to and still have to experience their negative influences and hide your true nature. I'm sure there are alternate ways to use your time which would still be of a great LHP oriented benefit to you and still allow your hidden nature to exist. I can only wish you the best in your situation. I'm glad we have forums like this and other methods of reaching out to assist and speak. It can be rather refreshing when dealing with Mormons and other such oppressive individuals.

"The LHP is a personal spiritual path and therefore a private thing."

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I couldn't agree more. It is a very personal thing. Some of us choose to open up or close down about it more than others and there is nothing wrong with either stance.

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I have to ask:

"Why is it that just because it is a personal spiritual path and a private thing, you don't agree that reaching out to others to gain their insights with assisting you along your personal spiritual private path is something which should be done?"

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I don't see any path being so personal and private in life that I would refuse incorporating the knowledge and methods/practices of another into my path to advance my continual growth.

You have 1 years to try to sell your idea: before you vanish like those others. 

If that is what you believe, then so be it. No harm; no foul. I'll always be around in one fashion or another. Its all a matter as to how public I make myself or how strong someone wants to keep a connection with me. Either way, I have plans and projects I am currently working on which won't be easily foiled.

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If a tree falls in the forest but no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound...

You are that tree falling in a forest: nobody hears you here. You're a failure already. I gave you 1 fucking year to sell your fucking idea. 

You have missed what I have attempted to communicate. In addition, I have no duty to prove myself to you or any other. If that is what you are expecting, you've been sorely mistaken.

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I don't much appreciate the way you have chosen to interact with me, so I will chose to break contact with you. Have a good day.

You're making this place gay. Talking about faggoty topics nobody cares about.

We wanna talk about real satanic shit: like the quote of the day, what we're currently listening to, drugs and hustling, commercial jinglez! And shit. 

Like satanic wardrobe. Is black socks more satanic then white socks? It's debatable. Black fucking socks go with any outfit that is dark in color. You wear black: you should know this shit! Y nosotros quieremos a hablar sobre Esperanto y otra cosas mas importante pinche payaso! 

Ok. That is great to hear. Maybe I misunderstood what you said. I was assuming (the wrong thing to do lol) it was your position that because the Left Hand Path is a personal spiritual private journey, there doesn't need to be a community or group. This was the premise of my question.

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Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate the response.

That is true. There is RHP Satanism (TST). Please keep in mind, I haven't said "Satanist" as I'm not speaking specifically about "Satanism" or the "Satanic/Satanist". I'm speaking about anyone who is a practitioner of the LHP.

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I must ask: In the context of the thread being broadly painted with the term LHP, why do you find it necessary to specifically pick out and distinguish Satanism from those who are LHP practitioners?
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I believe anyone (regardless of their LHP status) can use their religion to preserve the existence of their cooperation in a group. Do you find this not to be the case? If so, then how so?

I don't necessarily refer to Satanism but religion in general. Satanism is a religion, so I just used it as an example as we are in a satanic forum. Homo sapiens made religion to preserve the culture or group it established, so if there is a group of individuals on the LHP then they will use their religion to preserve the existence of their group so they forever are connected. 

Thank you for explaining. I now see it was just an example, and that makes sense.
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To all (with rare exception):

Your insights thus far have been appreciated. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Of course, if you have anything extra to add or would like to carry on, I would be pleased to follow the thread and continue as well.

When you say LHP or non-LHP in regards to Satanists, you are classifying them based on occult/ritualization. That is an important piece of information for us to establish. No wonder I was confused with what you were saying. lol The way in which I view an individual as being an LHP Satanist can come in one of two basic flavors:

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1) Atheistic Satanist is on how they live their life. I believe some don't ritualize or know the philosophies of any form of Satanism. They simply live as one inherently based on what they value, which comes natural in their life.

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2) Theistic (Traditional) Satanist is on what beliefs they hold dear and act in practice of.

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I know both are again broad paint brushes, but we are speaking in general to be fair. 

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I can see that (the topic about the TST) as being a reasonable view point, although it is not a viewpoint we share. I'm not a fan of the TST philosophies.