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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
Baphomets: Nope. I mean yes to whether I'm a Satanist but nope to the rest. What I'm looking for are (a) an appreciative audience to talk to; (b) an interesting population to enjoy and learn from; and (c) a few trolls and imbeciles  to mess with. I get all of that here, so I stay. 

  

I suppose RHP people could fall into category (c) but if they did, I wouldn't be trying to convince them of anything. I'd be doing my best to swing them around by their tails as if they were mice and I was a cat. Like I enjoyed doing with talisman, before he hilariously took his ball and went home.


Satanists (real ones) don't proselytize, partly because, for them, Satanism isn't a religion. Caveat: If a Satanist wants to make some money by selling you a little red ID card for two hundred bucks, he or she might attempt to proselytize while pretending not to.


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Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
Ok. So if you were at a bar or a concert and a few satanists were having a debate about what satanism is or isn't, you're telling me that you wouldn't join in?
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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
Oh! Baphomets, I misunderstood you. But now I think I get it. A busload of Satanists pulls into town and shows up at a bar that I happen to be drinking at. (In this scenario the most fantastical plot point is that I would be drinking at a bar, but I'll run with it.) One of the Satanists stands up and shouts, "Yo! We're all Satanists! If you're one too, come on over, have a drink with us!" (This plot point is also fantastical, but let's keep going.) I'm pretty sure that I would accept the invitation, if only for the sheer fact that such an event will almost certainly never happen again. So I walk over, say hello, take a seat, order a drink, and join in the conversation. How would I handle myself?


Well, first of all, I would be pretty sure there were no trolls or imbeciles in the crowd, so I wouldn't be looking for someone to mess with. Instead, I would simply share my own views, and listen to the views of everyone else. Like I do here, with serious people like yourself, the Arborior Squad (all of whom probably think it's hilarious that I called them serious people), Anna, CC, MatthewJ1, and whoever I'm forgetting. I handle all of you the same: I tell you my truth and listen to yours. I would do the same in the bar with the Satanic horde, face to face.


I guess it's important to point out that trolls and imbeciles get to contend with a different Wolfie than the rest of you do. Respect has to be earned. When it is, I give it gladly.



Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
I like your fantastical scenerio. Good response.
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jun 27 '21

Quote from beware This forum might be more accurately named 'Hedonist International Network' or 'Suicidal International Network', because there are few true Satanists here.

Where is your blood? Where is your sacrifice? Where is your knowledge? Where is your cunning? Where is your time really going? 


Well my time is not being devoted to gematria, I can say that much. 


You had some criticisms there but blew it with the use of that image.  Why'd you go and do that? It started like an elitest uber-satanist and ended up like someone posting conspiracy apocalypse gibberish on AboveTopSecret.com.  


And I really can't take you serious when letters with numerical values is part of an actual argument for you. The fallacy employed is just too thick to approach seriously.  



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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 28 '21
Quote from Wolfie

Satanists (real ones) don't proselytize, partly because, for them, Satanism isn't a religion. 


Quite contrary, Satanism is a religion for those who are actual Satanists. Satanism just differs from many other religions that it does not requires that the Satanist ritualizes and celebrate the holidays. Those comes naturally if you ask me. If the Satanist have friends or allies who are Satanists then the satanic holidays with their ceremony serves to maintain a sense of brotherhood and rituals serves as cathartic.
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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 28 '21
Tom, here's my take. LaVey grew up in a carnival. He was a carnie. As such, he had a highly dualistic view of humanity: there were the carnies, and there were the marks.


Carnies had their own lingo.


So LaVey starts the Church of Satan, and the way he goes about it is, he populates it with "carnies" (the people who were in on the joke but also saw the value in the serious parts) and the "marks" (the people who took absolutely everything seriously). One of the easiest ways to identify the marks was to ask them if Satanism was a religion. If they said yes, they were marks. Michael Aquino was a mark, despite being brilliant in certain areas.


Eventually LaVey realized that he had surrounded himself with too many marks for his liking. The stink nauseated him. So he started cleaning house. One of the marks who had to go was, of course, Michael Aquino.


Ultimately LaVey was able to keep the marks at arm's length. They paid their two hundred dollars and got their little red ID cards. They bought LaVey's books. They never, ever got invited to LaVey's home. Only the "carnies" were invited in.


Incidentally, the paradigm of an inner and outer circle is as old as the earliest secret societies. You find it in a lot of places. For example, many Gardnerian covens have inner and outer circles.


So no, Tom, Satanism is not a religion. It's a modern Hermetic practice whose participants are engaged in the Great Work from a dark, Left Hand, carnal, atheistic, misanthropic perspective. The goal of the Great Work (for the Satanist) is a more pleasing psyche.



 

Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 28 '21
Tom, here's my take. LaVey grew up in a carnival. He was a carnie. As such, he had a highly dualistic view of humanity: there were the carnies, and there were the marks.


Carnies had their own lingo.


So LaVey starts the Church of Satan, and the way he goes about it is, he populates it with "carnies" (the people who were in on the joke but also saw the value in the serious parts) and the "marks" (the people who took absolutely everything seriously). One of the easiest ways to identify the marks was to ask them if Satanism was a religion. If they said yes, they were marks. Michael Aquino was a mark, despite being brilliant in certain areas.


Eventually LaVey realized that he had surrounded himself with too many marks for his liking. The stink nauseated him. So he started cleaning house. One of the marks who had to go was, of course, Michael Aquino.


Ultimately LaVey was able to keep the marks at arm's length. They paid their two hundred dollars and got their little red ID cards. They bought LaVey's books. They never, ever got invited to LaVey's home. Only the "carnies" were invited in.


Incidentally, the paradigm of an inner and outer circle is as old as the earliest secret societies. You find it in a lot of places. For example, many Gardnerian covens have inner and outer circles.


So no, Tom, Satanism is not a religion. It's a modern Hermetic practice whose participants are engaged in the Great Work from a dark, Left Hand, carnal, atheistic, misanthropic perspective. The goal of the Great Work (for the Satanist) is a more pleasing psyche.



 

Anna
Anna Jun 28 '21

Quote from Wolfie Tom, here's my take. LaVey grew up in a carnival. He was a carnie. As such, he had a highly dualistic view of humanity: there were the carnies, and there were the marks.


Carnies had their own lingo.


So LaVey starts the Church of Satan, and the way he goes about it is, he populates it with "carnies" (the people who were in on the joke but also saw the value in the serious parts) and the "marks" (the people who took absolutely everything seriously). One of the easiest ways to identify the marks was to ask them if Satanism was a religion. If they said yes, they were marks. Michael Aquino was a mark, despite being brilliant in certain areas.


Eventually LaVey realized that he had surrounded himself with too many marks for his liking. The stink nauseated him. So he started cleaning house. One of the marks who had to go was, of course, Michael Aquino.


Ultimately LaVey was able to keep the marks at arm's length. They paid their two hundred dollars and got their little red ID cards. They bought LaVey's books. They never, ever got invited to LaVey's home. Only the "carnies" were invited in.


Incidentally, the paradigm of an inner and outer circle is as old as the earliest secret societies. You find it in a lot of places. For example, many Gardnerian covens have inner and outer circles...


So no, Tom, Satanism is not a religion. It's a modern Hermetic practice whose participants are engaged in the Great Work from a dark, Left Hand, carnal, atheistic, misanthropic perspective. The goal of the Great Work (for the Satanist) is a more pleasing psyche.


This is brilliant. You've hit the nail on the head.


Unfortunately, it's extremely hard to beat this piece of wisdom into the dopey heads. The peculiar mixture of stupidity and vanity will make them fight and reject it.


One way would be to set up a little trap for the naive; build or rent some space for a black house, invite the donkeys in (not without charging them an appropriate amount of money), tell them they are the elite and true occultists and, once they are in, bar the door and set the building on fire.


That could enlighten them, if only for a second. And if not, that would be good riddance and a warning for others not to be stupid.

The Forum post is edited by Anna Jun 28 '21
beware
beware Jun 28 '21

Quote from Dark Enlightenment

And I really can't take you serious when letters with numerical values is part of an actual argument for you. The fallacy employed is just too thick to approach seriously.  


I can't take you seriously when you have no understanding of the Qabalistic practice, nor the true nature of letters, as they originally doubled as numbers. Human language functioned in this way long before the conception of western culture. 

Each Letter was also a Word, a Number, a Symbol, and a Zodiac. 

http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp196_alphabet.pdf
On the Origins of the Alphabet by Brian R. Pellar
Sino-Platonic Papers Department of East Asian Languages and Civilizations

University of Pennsylvania

Everything in this universe may be reduced to number. Here is the Mark of the Beast for example. 


https://beware.media/static/videos/ID.mp4

This is what true Satanists are accomplishing. 

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jun 28 '21
Take your Haldol, bitch. 


Kaballah certainly did wonders for your rationale.


You esotericly fucked your mind into oblivion..

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beware
beware Jun 28 '21

Quote from Dark Enlightenment 

You esotericly fucked your mind into oblivion..

I present you scholarly articles and examples of how such language is used, and yet you deny. My mind? I need not worry. That's why I'm here to save all of you. The Mark of the Beast may steal your soul, yet dawning of The Antichrist will come as the morning star; with no fore mention nor fore warning. In a rapture of light, the sky will be rolled up like a scroll and there shall rain mountains of fire; all that shall be left for those judged will be great lakes of fire. 





I gain only rewards in heaven by telling you this. Lord knows I belong in hell. 
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beware
beware Jun 28 '21
Ever listen to Lateralus? You like the band and you don't even realize they speak on the same subject through their music!

Black 1

And 1

White Are 2

All I See 3

In my Infancy 5
Red and yellow then came to be 8 
Reaching Out to me 5
Lets Me See 3
 
Fibonacci sequence = 1,1,2,3,5,8,13....

God is in numbers. Truth beyond your comprehension, therefore you cannot accept it, keep projecting with your blinders on. 

Once you see it for yourself you will know. Experience, wisdom, and knowledge be the true divider and conqueror of nations. 

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jun 28 '21

Quote from beware Ever listen to Lateralus? You like the band and you don't even realize they speak on the same subject through their music!

Black 1

And 1

White Are 2

All I See 3

In my Infancy 5
Red and yellow then came to be 8 
Reaching Out to me 5
Lets Me See 3
 
Fibonacci sequence = 1,1,2,3,5,8,13....

God is in numbers. Truth beyond your comprehension, therefore you cannot accept it, keep projecting with your blinders on. 

Once you see it for yourself you will know. Experience, wisdom, and knowledge be the true divider and conqueror of nations. 

I don't believe you. I want to believe you are mystified by base 10 counting and here to save everyone but I cannot get myself there. It drifts too much. That says the conviction is lacking and geared for  personal amusement more than anything. 


You have to convince me you are so stupid you find base 10 counting and the development of written language as mystical first. 


What of the sexegesimal counting system?


https://www.storyofmathematics.com/sumerian.html


advances in mathematics were probably facilitated by the fact that 60 has many divisors (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30 and 60 – in fact, 60 is the smallest integer divisible by all integers from 1 to 6), and the continued modern-day usage of of 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and 360 (60 x 6) degrees in a circle, are all testaments to the ancient Babylonian system. It is for similar reasons that 12 (which has factors of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6) has been such a popular multiple historically (e.g. 12 months, 12 inches, 12 pence, 2 x 12 hours, etc).


You are mystified like someone without knowledge... so what can you really help anyone with.

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beware
beware Jun 28 '21
I'm particularly interested in Septemvigesimal
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jun 28 '21
Closer, you still haven't convinced me though. 


Did you know in the base 26 universe P&G are Satan because 666 is PG in hexadecimal? 


Go trip out on this: 


Base Converter


Math, like written language itself was developed to serve a utilitarian need. Measuring land, counting  debt, tax bills, and other government shit.  





The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Jun 28 '21
beware
beware Jun 28 '21
clueless pointless


im going to go flick my bean until i pass tf out

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 29 '21
Quote from Wolfie

So no, Tom, Satanism is not a religion. It's a modern Hermetic practice whose participants are engaged in the Great Work from a dark, Left Hand, carnal, atheistic, misanthropic perspective. The goal of the Great Work (for the Satanist) is a more pleasing psyche



Satanism is NOT a form of occultism itself. It's a carnal religion with the self of the Satanist being God. Satanism just not requires that the satanic holidays are celebrated. Personally, I don't celebrate the satanic holidays because I have no friends who are Satanists, so celebrating a satanic holiday would to me be like celebrating Christmas without my family.


Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 29 '21
Tom, you should make a video of yourself worshipping yourself. I'd love to see it. Unless it involves masturbation, in which case, never mind.

 

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