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Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 26 '21
In the satanic community I have noticed many label their personal philosophy satanic. My question is... Why?

Why do you need to label your personal philosophy satanic? 

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jun 26 '21

Because I identify with cut of Lucifer's jib.  Lucifer couldn't have become satan without authority to piss him off first. And that is so me to have a hair up my ass over an arbitray double standard and instigate self-immolative conflict over it.  


Still, using the label for myself is only relevant here... everywhere else I'm just a control freak with  an authority problem..


It is sorta like punk rock, you know the real shit when you see it. The stark difference between the below album and one by Pennywise. The latter may say "Fuck Authority" but you don't really believe them when they say it.



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Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jun 26 '21
On "seeing" the satanic impulse in music...


What do you do if you HATE the song that made you famous to the point where you eventually write an album called I Hate Myself And I Want To Die (changed to In Utero) specifically to get you dropped by your label? 


This: 












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Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 26 '21
Some people label their personal philosophy Satanic because... wait for it... their personal philosophy is Satanic.


Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 26 '21
Quote from Wolfie their personal philosophy is Satanic.

Says who? 
Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
Says LaVey, Tom. At least in my case. Satanism is the meme system promulgated by LaVey.


Anna
Anna Jun 27 '21

Quote from Wolfie Says LaVey, Tom. At least in my case. Satanism is the meme system promulgated by LaVey.



Oh no! You're so wrong!


Satanism is an ancient religion that existed long before LaVey and that sets a barrier between Satanists and non-Satanists, enabling the former to form tribes, build black houses and celebrate Satanic holidays together. When we decompress ourselves in our ritual chambers, we are like gods and gods don't need personal philosophies.

Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 27 '21
Quote from Wolfie Says LaVey, Tom. At least in my case. Satanism is the meme system promulgated by LaVey.



LaVey is the father of Satanism yes but it does not make him authority. In the satanic religion there is only one god and it's the Satanist himself.
Satanist since more than a decade

Quote from Tom Riddle In the satanic community I have noticed many label their personal philosophy satanic. My question is... Why?

Why do you need to label your personal philosophy satanic? 

Because opinions differ but execution of ideas and the "on going" share similar traits. 

It has never been about the ideas and beliefs held. 
Is has always been about how they are being propagated. 
Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
A lot of my favorite people are the "Satan adjacent" people, who reject the Satanic label. Anna, for example. Satan texted me and verified the Satanic bona fides of Anna's sarcasm. In fact he told me the imps and incubi put Anna's jibes to music and dance to them.


Meanwhile, Tom, I think you want someone to say this: "It's not Satanism unless Satan is real and the practitioners have a relationship with him." This of course is highly reminiscent of the boneheads who pester people with questions like, "Do you know Jesus?" 


Here's something to consider. If I say, "I am my own god," and then I say, "Satan is my lord and master," I've contradicted myself. You can have one or the other, or neither, but not both. I choose neither. When Satan materializes in front of me, maybe I'll consider the pros and cons of taking him as my master. When I command water to turn into wine and it does, maybe I'll consider the possibility that I'm some sort of god. Meanwhile, I have an outlook on life that works for me, and which I learned from LaVey. I also have a system of symbols that works for me: Satan and the Infernal Legions. I also have a simple yet effective technique for performing cathartic ritual, which I actually use to good effect in my ongoing pursuit of a more pleasing psyche. 


All of which, by the way, is why I don't feel the need to join the Sect of the Horned God, which I mention since Satanist since more than a decade is here among us on this thread.

 

As for Nutzack, my main interest is in deciding whether or not he's an alter ego of Aborior.


Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 27 '21

Quote from Wolfie

Here's something to consider. If I say, "I am my own god," and then I say, "Satan is my lord and master," I've contradicted myself. You can have one or the other, or neither, but not both. I choose neither. When Satan materializes in front of me, maybe I'll consider the pros and cons of taking him as my master. When I command water to turn into wine and it does, maybe I'll consider the possibility that I'm some sort of god. Meanwhile, I have an outlook on life that works for me, and which I learned from LaVey. I also have a system of symbols that works for me: Satan and the Infernal Legions. I also have a simple yet effective technique for performing cathartic ritual, which I actually use to good effect in my ongoing pursuit of a more pleasing psyche.


Satan is the ego of the Satanist externalized. Being a Satanist is a trait and Satanism is a religion with the ego of the Satanist being God. The Satanist can then utilize his religion as a wheel on the left hand path. 
The Forum post is edited by Tom Riddle Jun 27 '21
Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
So then why label that as Satanism, Tom? I'll reword your post for you.


"Merlin is the ego of the Merlinist externalized. Being a Merlinist is a trait and Merlinism is a religion with the ego of the Merlinist being God. The Merlinist can then utilize his religion as a wheel on the left hand path."


Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
Geeeeez here we go again.


All around the mulberry bush,
The monkey chased the weasel
The monkey thought it was all in fun,
Pop! Goes the weasel
A penny for a spool of thread, a penny for a needle
That's the way the money goes,
Pop! Goes the weaselUp and down the city road,
In and out of the eagle
That's the way the money goes,
Pop! Goes the weasel
Half a pound of tuppeny rice,
Half a pound of treacle
That's the way the money goes,
Pop! Goes the weasel

Wolfie
Wolfie Jun 27 '21
I've now learned something:


"In the textile industry, a spinner's weasel was a mechanical thread-measuring device in the shape of a spoked wheel, that accurately measured out yarn by making a popping sound to indicate the correct length had been reached."


Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
Ah-ha!
Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
Here's a question for you all: do you consider yourself satanists? If so, would you stand up for your beliefs (and opinions) no matter who your audience was? I mean, I know you like debating amongst yourselves, but would you truly stand up and debate and convince strangers?
Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
...and by strangers, I mean in real life, face to face, trying to convince them of your beliefs?
Baphomets Mod
Baphomets Jun 27 '21
Defending your ideals no matter who you are up against?
beware
beware Jun 27 '21
This forum might be more accurately named 'Hedonist International Network' or 'Suicidal International Network', because there are few true Satanists here.

Where is your blood? Where is your sacrifice? Where is your knowledge? Where is your cunning? Where is your time really going? 


Tom Riddle
Tom Riddle Jun 27 '21
Quote from Wolfie

"Merlin is the ego of the Merlinist externalized. Being a Merlinist is a trait and Merlinism is a religion with the ego of the Merlinist being God. The Merlinist can then utilize his religion as a wheel on the left hand path."


Basically you could codify Merlinism as a religion. The date of birth for Merlin and the day he got his magical powers could be the holidays and there would be ceremony for it. There would be rituals to invoke the spirit of Merlin. Is Merlin his own god like the devils are in mythology? 
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