Satanism is occultist | Forum

Edit : Tom Riddle deleted prior post in which it was stated the occult as exclusively supernatural.

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All that spiritual shit only taps that mundane need to believe. Occult in the context you speak of is all supernatural candle chanting in one form or another. What difference is there in a black candle and a Lady Guadalupe candle? A printed label and wax color, everything else slides over as a like form of attainment.  Narratives of magical causal forces helping you along the way. 

And is something really "hidden" if it uses the same old faith every one else does? 

Most in the world can light that candle and feel they've done something. This is the essence of RHP attainment. The ability to defer to matters of faith in fucked situations.

Meanwhile...

Satan represents modern atavistic misanthropy.

Specifically the modern principles of rationality, science, materialism, and atheism; the atavistic principles of carnality, appetite, passion, and cathartic ritual; and the misanthropic principles of cynicism, desecration, iconoclasty, and dissidence: Satan's Twelve Apostles.

I would have posted this sooner if that highlight box hadn't kept trapping the cursor. It hadn't been a problem for a while so I had forgotten about it.

Quote from Dark Enlightenmentr. What difference is there in a black candle and a Lady Guadalupe candle?

Where gratifying attainment is concerned is there any difference between the dark force wielding high priest and the light of god wielding pastor? 

Let's toss out everyone using ritual "psychodrama" as a punching bag (like putting someones face on a punching bag) or ritualistic introspective meditation to feel better and focus on the superstitious aspects alone. For those "who don't doubt the power of magic" explicitly. 

Is the magician lighting a black candle and invoking [Insert demon] any different in approach than the Santera lighting a Wal-Mart candle invoking [Insert orisha].  

I feel it's a madlib of like for like with RHP abstraction. 

Talisman: Well, satanism is occultist by their origin, occultism is blasphemy, thus making a point. 

There seems to be a problem here, in my view. I’ll try to articulate it: if you don’t anchor Satanism in some sort of objective way then it seems you fall into a sort of relativism, perspectivism and historicism.

I remember watching a cool DVD years ago called ‘The History of the Devil’ or something like that, and what was interesting in that documentary was the way the meaning of Satan was transformed over the course of the centuries as a result of changing values and truth claims, etc.

It seemed to me that the referent attached to this signifier “Satan” gradually changed or rather became more and more contested, and then later the referent itself seemed to just vanish and the physical form of the sign and the concept just seemed to slide all over the place. You only have to spend some time in the online satanic community to see the preceding points illustrated.

It seems to me that the contest around interpretation and description and ontological status was an example of will to power in action, and hence a sure indication that “Satan” was there all along in the background in an objective way.

There are obviously a set of images and symbols, which are associated with Satan and which are rooted in forms of occultism or rather occult discourse. Those images and symbols can be useful. The signifier Satan definitely implies an occult worldview if one goes back to the pristine origin when this signifier first appeared. It definitely implies an occult viewpoint right now as far as I’m concerned.

Satan is always there - in the background - as each partisan fights to establish who “He” is and what “he” is all about…

Cathartic ritual changes subjective reality directly so as to instigate new styles of action and, through the indirect means of letting these actions run their course, change objective reality.

You categorically cannot do a ritual to directly change the objective reality of some lumbering imbecile bullying you. However, you are entirely capable of doing a ritual to instigate within yourself the growth of a pair of balls (metaphorically speaking) which will then clear a psychological path for you to shout "Damn the torpedoes!" and launch yourself into the unsuspecting person of Captain Moron and pummel him mercilessly, which may, even if you lose the fight, nevertheless induce Billy Bob Blockhead to leave you alone henceforth.

I would like to take this excellent point and highlight something. 

The above deals exclusively in the phenomenal.  Even the cathartic ritual serves a direct purpose within the mind of the individual. There is no reliance on "the power of magic" at all.  

Humorously, it's what the Danish kid said over and over, the Satanist recognizes the ritual as only capable of effecting their own mental state. Other "ritual" activities include; yoga, meditation, martial arts, zen gardens, painting, breaking shit, and exercise.  

What qualifies itself as cathartic is a broad stroke across several avenues of catharsis. 

What remains is the lack epistomological frailty. There is no reliance on an unknown causal mechanism.  

This speaks to the preference of the individual Satanist to need to see the results and mechanism of their self-deliverance from whatever adversity they face. The Satanist will not derive satisfaction from thinking "magic" will take care of the lumbering bully, but will derive satisfaction from self-defense training and kicking the motherfucking shit out of him directly. 

I do have to admit that when the wait has been long, and the opportunity has finally presented itself, the glorious act of voiding one's bladder can feel magical, and even religious, as one might be forgiven for blurting out, "Thank God!"

Wolfie + beware = wanking

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Let's do some madlibs here. 

purposeful action derived from the will, or any action taken purposefully so as to reach a desired outcome. 

So if my will says "get the mail" and I go and get the mail that action is magic. Yeah, "taking a shit" was a better example. 

Are you a fallacybot? 

If you are AI, you have to tell me how your programming prevents the paradox self-destruction reflex. I thought AI can't handle logical paradoxes and experience "invalid operation" errors which cause them to catastrophically malfunction?

I don't bother with this sort of 'ritual' thing anymore really, at least not in a traditional sense but I do notice shortcomings from time to time where certain amendments do seem appropriate even if only for purposes of academia and nothing else.

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Where is there room for hidden forces with the inherent uncertainty required in all wave systems?  Can the mind's intent ever effect the uncertain? 

Can you really argue your experience isn't a contunous collapsing wave? 

 In my causal agent life my "experienced wave collapse" (things that happen) are influenced by my positional state. The choices I made, the initial conditions, and the velocity of my trajectory. All this can be known, yet the future location of myself can never be accurately predicted.

You want a TOE? I can get you a TOE! 

Predicting the detrministic future is like predicting the location of a particle. 

I don't think there is room for super magic power to make the wave collapse any specific way. Only ability to change your position to make it more likely to collapse a certain way. 

The only answers around this I have heard involve a god channel, matrix, or unconscious acausal something or other.  That's too abstract and contrived for me.  

I find it easier to remove all determinism instead. Coincidence just needs to be told it's not special. 

Evolution in the psyche can seem like evolution in objective reality, because in a very real sense, the psyche is all we've ever known and all we ever will.