occult, a path to satanism? | Forum

Anyway.

Here is where I look crazy too. 

I think it's Telepathy, telekinesis, and all those sci-fi things. Thoughtforms extending beyond the mind releasing energy in a throwing or burst fashion. 

Like a true belief that a house is haunted manifests without you meaning to.  

Getting crazier. 

They seem to be related to Tulpas. Supplemental consciousness sharing your mind.  I fucking have one and she's a fucking cunt that never the shuts the fuck up and took the likeness of transexual alleged spy I once worked with.  I wish i could say that was trolling. And quite frankly, I'm sick of the "demonic" connotation to it.  

And all I needed to cause it was think, "The Shining" (telepathy) was possible. From there all my preexisting knowledge sculpted it's personality. These mental conjuring always seem in play. 

I feel it may be a belief driven self made sentience that can "switch on the other blacklight". Jump points like being entangled. 

The craziest part: 

I look to remote viewing. There are testimonials of the NSA having telekinetic psychic operatives in a program born out of MKUltra and The CIA. 

In the Men Who Stare At Goats (though heavily dramatized) there is a scene depicting this energy throwing by knocking over a goat through concentration. Which might as well be spoon bending. 

I have ideas it's related to resonance within the delta band, such as a Schumann resonance, but that is only my IDEA. I can work off it, but cannot put too much weight into it. I am holding at electromagnetic. 

Poltergeist may be manifestations of our deep seeded fears through a similar telekinetic tulpa-like process. Maybe even something where you match a resonant frequency of a solid object and excite it slightly. 

*Or* I could be wrong.  And unfortunately for my attempted antitheism something like my response below.

Talisman: What makes occultism a different path, an alternative way to achieve things? In fact there's a completely different trajectory that may lead to the same place. A totally different way of thinking, a completely different culture. 

Might try and address this in my own way. I think it is easy - for some people - to get caught up in language and to ascribe a reality, or a presence, or an existence to everything which words, or images, or symbols point to.

I don’t really believe there are such things as demons or angels – in many cases a signifier does not have a material or substantial referent.

I think this belief in demons and angels has come about as a consequence of this vertical ontological hierarchy, which came out of Platonism and Neo-Platonism and was later embellished by the Christian tradition – so basically you had a characterless negation at the top, then a divine mind of forms, then a world soul, and then the sensible universe of formed matter. From there it was quite natural for Christian and later Neo-Platonic thinkers to include all sorts of other supernatural entities in this top down hierarchy. Basically, I think human beings got caught up in overloading a certain sort of language with substance. The existence of demons I think came out as the Other of this top down ontological hierarchy.   

However, having said that, I do think there is an underlying occult reality. I do like science, but I think that positivism, materialism and empiricism do not necessarily explain all of reality, nor are they particularly useful for gaining knowledge of this occult reality. I do think a form of epistemological gnosis can give a person access.

A truly satanic occult reality, for me, is all about becoming, which was such an annoying and inconvenient fact of existence for the people who believed in a top down ontological hierarchy. But further, the satanic occult reality is all about differential relations of active and reactive forces. That implies, at least for me, a will which is underlying and making this happen and arising out of what is happening at the same time – that is a will to power synonymous with a will to life or a will to existence.

I think it is true that stratification and hierarchy and the desire for pleasure and for dominance are integral to Satanism. I think becoming, difference and will are underlying that. “Satan” if you want to use that signifier, is the implied subject underlying that.

@MatthewJ1 - Can I ask you something (not in troll mode)?

 That implies, at least for me, a will which is underlying and making this happen and arising out of what is happening at the same time – that is a will to power synonymous with a will to life or a will to existence.

Beyond the self-serving benefits of becoming within the occult. Beyond the temperance of the beast,  the organic processes, and all of the above; do you see "The force" to put it in laymen terms? A law behind the form?  

When the average person thinks of occult they don't go the internal alchemy route with it, they go the "numinous" dark force route. Even Gilmore just cops out with "Dark force of entropy". I need more than just a force exists. I want to talk about how. 

It's the last "what if" of my antitheism and one I sometimes find hard to dismiss. Call it forced order in chaos unable to be rationalized as coincidence. A seeming malleability of random wave collapse. 

Jason King onceposted a video (I referenced) called The Second Blacklight or something similar. Do you see the same "Capital M Mind" channel of consciousness effecting the objective in a very glitch-like fashion. Thoughts haphazardly channeling through the aether along a master conduit putting an unrelated causal chain in motion. 

I am still hung up on this.  You can't substantiate the phenomena of a dark force without a superexistent "master coding" of some sort. An omnipresent vector allowing for the manifesting of will. With a physical existence as real as electromagnetism.

Where do you stand on THIS part of the occult?

To Aborior, thank you for your interest. I haven’t studied JK closely enough to comment on his work.

It is clear to me that temporality is the ontological horizon within which the world is available to us. We are thoroughly temporal/historical through and through. There is no Being, there is only Becoming. There is no enduring substance or essence. There is only timeliness.

Enduring substance or essence is a trick of language, of semiotic systems – it is one particular strategy we adopt to deal with the “chaos of Becoming” and I think a death anxiety.

It seems obvious to me, in fact I would hold it valid a priori, that life seeks to grow beyond its pre-existing boundaries and constraints, it seeks to control its environment and others so it can dominate, so it can flourish and avoid death or non-existence.

The particular things in this world are different from each other, but further I believe ontological difference inheres as a “fundamental property” intrinsic to all things. Reality is differential from the macro-level right through to the micro-level. I am of the belief that the will to life as a will to power is the regulatory principle which underlies the differential force relations, which underlie this differential composition of Becoming.

Satan, to use that conventional signifier is an unconscious subject, which signifies this unconscious process. It is this will to power, this will to life in its totality. Satan is process. Satan is the energy which runs through this Becoming. I don’t believe it is consciously intentional. You can’t communicate with it. It is “an electricity,” which a magician may be able to plug into and direct to some extent. You can know it through gnosis. It powers this Becoming, but not in a conscious intentional way.

Unfortunately, I do not possess the language skills to describe it more thoroughly or probably even defend it comprehensively at this time. The acquisition of the language and underlying insight comes from the magic I perform.    

Thanks for the response. The Second intelligent person with that response for me. 

Let's cut to the meat of that part of it. 

Do you feel it's a phenomenon of biological life born organically within the physical universe or something like the existence of physical laws themselves.  Something set in motion by a master coding (a la non-anthropomorphic intelligent design)? 

Is there an underlying 'sentience' to why physical laws are what they are and why life is driven to adapt, mutate, and carve out a niche in the environment? Or is it a symbiotic self perpetuating thing. New laws now existing because there is organic life. 

Finally do you see this as connected to the magical "dark force of entropy" often spoke of? 

Tremendous questions, which I’m not sure I can do justice to.

There is only Becoming and hence no pristine origin, or no point in time when there was a great creation. Becoming has always been and always will be. It is endless. As a consequence, something was not set in motion. To me that implies, that at some point in temporal time, there was a creation. It has always been there.

It is not born organically within the physically universe. Again, I don’t think it is born, as Becoming has always been. “Satan” has never been born, nor will ever die. It underpins what has always been there. It is an unconscious principle of life, of will, of becoming.

An underlying sentience? That’s interesting, but I tend to think of sentience as ascribable to a conscious subject. It is a property or a capacity of a conscious subject I would think. I don’t see Satan as conscious and possessing the properties or capacities of a conscious subject.

It seems to come down to this word “will.” That word implies a subject – either conscious or unconscious – which wills. I see it as unconscious. It is the instinct of reality or the instinct of Becoming. It doesn’t deliberate. It doesn’t think. It just is. It just acts. It just functions.

I was hung up on the priori, and still am. 

I hope that one day, as Towelhead/Wolfie/Tomato said, it will be confirmed as a physical property like thermodynamics.  

But it still does a nice job to remove the chicken and egg by existing in it's analgous "zero point" form. 

Here's another one of those along the same lines. 

Here's a true story about roulette. 

Every so often that espresso froth bubbles up surrounding a particular number when I am playing. Say a compulsion to play 17 Black.  One instance when I was up I put $10 on it for fun. 

And it hit.  Instant $350. 

That was the only time I played that impulse. And I played it because it kept happening with my dismissing it. I'd see a number and have a strong impulse to play it. I'd dismiss and it hit. 

After that I kept thinking it was happening and losing. And then it happened a few more time after I went back to discounting it again. 

I can't explain why it happens either. Except the random isn't always random. Why else do these mpulses bubble up and become little worms in the back of your head. 

I don't like that because It brings me back to a matrix. The random needs to fucking keep its ass random and stop glitching in weird instances of premonition. 

Beans: the data provided by the senses. Water: the neurons. Percolator: the ongoing unconscious processes. Cup: the conscious receptacle.

beware wouldn't need that explained. beware would own you in an IQ contest.

Sometimes I have a bit of difficulty finding recent posts, anyways...

IQ tests = Analogies, number sequences, flipping shapes in your head, anagrams, and other quick and obvious questions. The trick is to blow through it with initial answers as fast as possible. Really bumps up that score. Especially if you can get Insatiable = Banalities.  Just look for prefixes and suffixes.  

My favorite ones are the: "If All womps are stomps and some stomps are shlomps; then some womps are definitely shlomps" ones.  No one ever thinks to change the words to animals or some shit.  "If all dogs are animals and some animals are cats". You arrive at "false". 

All in all it insures dyslexic people will never get credit for the true level of their intelligence.  Sorta like how they called Einstien retarded because he was hopelessly learning disabled. 

How many miles from the US to France? The dude had a stopwatch which was kind of annoying.

I once did an IQ test through the internet and barely got near a three digit result. 

I think it was 98 or 99, but I don't remember well.