I have this. Everyone that is not a violent felon at the age of 18 be given a pistol. Something basic like cops carry. Glock 9mm or 40.cal. Shooting instructions free for 100 hours. All expenses paid by the government.
Here is the catch. Each bullet cost a thousand dollars. And if you fire a round out of a shooting range you get charged ten thousand per bullet.
I think this will greatly reduce crime. And if it cost money per bullet well, you better be a good shoot, wealthy or have a very good reason. All examples have merit.
Just my thoughts.
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Sep 28 '14
The only way this could happen is if the government strictly enforced the thousand dollar bullet cost, which it can't do. Even if it could, it would be easy enough for criminals to obtain cheaper bullets illegally, which leaves the average citizen fucked.
A mandated high bullet cost could be abused easily by those in authority.
A mandated high bullet cost could be abused easily by those in authority.
Member Khandnalie
Sep 28 '14
I'm kind of middle of the road when it comes to gun control. I can see both sides of the debate to some extent. I think *something* needs to be done, I'm just not sure what. I think I would just prefer very strict licensing/permitting measures for firearms. You can have a gun, but you have to prove you're not a dumbass first. Basically, every general regulation that applies to owning/operating a car, should apply to owning/operating a gun, in my book.
Member Berardo Rodriguez
Sep 28 '14
For companies which manufacture weapons, to have a gun control law will be to risky and dangerous, especially concerning their business profits .
Member Khandnalie
Sep 28 '14
*shrugs* Thems the kicks, then. Corporate profit shouldn't be a major factor in determining public policy.
Chapter Head johnnywatts
Sep 28 '14
Before we fix gun control, fix mental healthcare. It's a complete fucking joke in the United States, with facilities so understaffed and overloaded that they're sending the mentally unstable home.
A gun is just a tool. When that tool is used to commit mass shootings, you need to ask the question: What the fuck is going on in the heads of the shooters?
Hallow
Oct 12 '15
Thank you! Rather than discuss gun control--I cannot stress enough that mental health is more of a problem and an issue that's still fairly ignored, shunned. However, I do agree with Zach that there at least needs to be more courses an individual has to go through prior purchasing a firearm--and in order to do so, one must qualify a concealed weapons permit as well. What I would personally like to see happen--education prior to obtaining a permit; hands on training to how to operate mandatory. All states. You have a lot of who buy their firearms legally--yet don't even know the proper handling which causes a lot of accidental deaths. Requiring mandatory training alone, could at least make law abiding citizens smarter with their firearms (and could being the operative word). Lol.
Educate, proper training--not necessarily restrict. And more emphasize on mental health rather than continuously use firearms as the scape goat. It's getting so old. With straw sales, the black market/deep web, so on and so forth--gun control is quite a joke. A person who doesn't care anymore and capable of going on a massive shooting spree in the first place; will automatically go around the 'laws' without a second thought. Why would it apply to them anymore to begin with?
I also think the media is largely accountable for. What goes on in their heads? Majority of shooters want their fifteen minutes of fame. That's their way before pulling the trigger on themselves. Media feeds off of it.
Educate, proper training--not necessarily restrict. And more emphasize on mental health rather than continuously use firearms as the scape goat. It's getting so old. With straw sales, the black market/deep web, so on and so forth--gun control is quite a joke. A person who doesn't care anymore and capable of going on a massive shooting spree in the first place; will automatically go around the 'laws' without a second thought. Why would it apply to them anymore to begin with?
I also think the media is largely accountable for. What goes on in their heads? Majority of shooters want their fifteen minutes of fame. That's their way before pulling the trigger on themselves. Media feeds off of it.
Padowan
Oct 12 '15
A Glock? Really? What a waste of an opportunity. That's like being given the chance to drive a Lamborghini and someone hands you the keys to a Corvette.
A Glock is so weak and the kickback is ridiculous for accuracy. Give them something to have fun with. Something with some weight and that can do some serious damage. My personal favorite is a .357 Smith and Wesson revolver with hollow points. Or these: https://www.knesekguns.com/blog/the-worlds-most-powerful-handguns/
And this is fun. Talk about kickback. ;) Tannerite
The problem with handguns is not ease of access.
The problem is fear;
The basic premise of all discontent.
The Forum post is edited by Padowan Oct 12 '15
Chapter Head Kat
Oct 12 '15
What happens when people make their own bullets/cartridges? I guess you'd have to make that illegal or something.
Also although mass shootings make the headlines, surely many gun deaths annually are actually caused accidentally, can you screen for idiots? I think you should have the UK method of gun holding: must bein a locked cabinet, secured on two sides to a solid structure with two separate sets of keys to unlock which can only be owned by one person, that would stop kids getting hold of them and massively delays people accessing them to give a bit more thinking time.
Hallow
Oct 12 '15
And that's another key as well. That individual wanting to create fear. It's a portion of being in control too, i'd imagine. Deciding who dies and who doesn't, or hell, perhaps all for that matter in given amount of time they're permitted. Simply put--while there is the media, one can do anything to try and prevent firearms being the lead cause of such incidents but in the end nothing will ultimately prevent terror.
Can try to make it better by all means, but there will be the next best thing.
Can try to make it better by all means, but there will be the next best thing.
Padowan
Oct 12 '15
@Hallow
How do you believe an individual gets to the point of wanting to create fear?
How do you believe an individual gets to the point of wanting to create fear?
Hallow
Oct 12 '15
@HallowGood question. Honestly, I'm still trying to understand myself. And from a different point of view.
How do you believe an individual gets to the point of wanting to create fear?
It's certainly a number of factors, but no doubt starting off with how these individuals are treated by society--and in turn lash out in response when it becomes too much for. Mix 'psychopathy' and 'depression'--a deadly (no pun intended) combination. Columbine is a prime example.
Padowan
Oct 12 '15
@Hallow
What happens when you push someone into a corner? Their reaction, when forced to face fear without an outlet to safety, will determine the person you are dealing with.
~Depression is when you believe the corner is real and permanent. No outlet. Apathy.
~Psychopathy is when you created the corner from your own imagination and not from actual threats. Delusional.
~Self-aware humans remove the corner, whether it is real or imagined. They refuse to accept another person's framework of reality. (A friend of mine took my corner.) :)
The Forum post is edited by Padowan Oct 12 '15
Member Millsy
Nov 20 '15
I'm pro 2nd amendment rights, don't have a gun though, just some knives and my granddads brass knuckles.
We need better mental health care, or more accessible mental health care in the US. I feel like that is more of a solution than disallowing someone's right to self protection.
Member ShadowLover
Nov 20 '15
I grew up in the bush so was raised around guns. When this happens I feel you inherit a respect for them. I don't believe in gun control but admittedly, there are plenty of idiots who when I think about carrying any weapon makes me cringe a little.
In Australia I'm pretty sure even some of our police officers don't carry, and certainly most of our security guards don't. But I think that is about to rapidly change with what is happening around the world at present. If a terrorist started firing bullets into a venue I was visiting I would like to think that at least someone in the crowd had the capacity to fire back. At present, no civilians in this country carry guns (unless they are a criminal with unscrupulous intentions).
In Australia I'm pretty sure even some of our police officers don't carry, and certainly most of our security guards don't. But I think that is about to rapidly change with what is happening around the world at present. If a terrorist started firing bullets into a venue I was visiting I would like to think that at least someone in the crowd had the capacity to fire back. At present, no civilians in this country carry guns (unless they are a criminal with unscrupulous intentions).
Member Millsy
Nov 22 '15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMO_Hi-uA-s
This is a hilarious, albeit disturbing, collection of clips titled 'idiots with guns.'
One crazy clip includes a man staring down his rifle's double barrel and ends up blowing his hat off. The cray of it all....
Nom de Plume
Nov 23 '15
A simpler solution might be to create a non-lethal weapon that ANYONE can possess. Whether it be a non-lethal projectile, like a hard beanbag or salt pack, a sonic shot, a compressed radio wave, a tranquilizer, or something brand new. Allow anyone to own one, regardless of mental capacity or criminal record. Once someone screws up, they lose the privilege to own one for a term. Almost no one dies stupidly, kids wont kill anyone with it, the bad guys get neutralized, and we can all protect ourselves.
I am not specifically speaking from experience, but if I were a terrorist, and I was going to shoot up someplace, it would definitely NOT be a place where most of the people I was shooting at could shoot back.
Now, of course, once they are incapacitated, depending on the situation........
The Forum post is edited by Nom de Plume Nov 23 '15
Member ShadowLover
Dec 25 '15
I don't like strict gun control. Gun Laws control came in in Australia after the Port Aurthur Massacre. Brought in by right wing politician, John Howard, who I loved - I just didn't agree with this decision. The perpetrator was mentally ill and came from the land - not an everyday citizen.
Anyway, as someone who doesn't live in the USA, I'm just curious to know why you have so much gun violence - if in fact you do? Your population is 10X that of Australia's so I would expect you to have 10X the amount of violence. What do Americans think causes the alleged gun problem? If America does have a huge gun problem compared to the rest of the world than what is in the psychology of the people that makes them pull the trigger? What do you think could be done to fix the alleged gun problem, without having to take away guns?
In Australia we now have a thing called a coward punch. Back in my day it was know as a king hit(knock-out punch) and might occur during a fight, but these days some young people are just doing it. They will walk up behind a random person in the street and punch them in the back of the head - the idea is to knock them out cold so they can get kudos from their mates. Only some of the people were dying. That's when Australia renamed this a cowards punch. My son is 18yo now and of course in Australia that is drinking age so he hits the club scene occasionally, and one of the things I worry about as a mother is that he is going to be walking along and get coward punched in the back of the head. It's just wrong. I think it stems from young men missing a ritual of manhood - they want to be men. We haven't seen violence in this country of any magnitude and so they have no way of proving their manhood. Many don't have fathers which they can even learn from. I would like to see some kind of cadets or national service be reinstated for young men who aren't on a substantial path. Not to send them to the frontline, but maybe get them to help fight bush fires or send them overseas to build houses in disaster areas. Just something that will open their eyes a little to the world and satisfy their pride in them being men.
Anyway, as someone who doesn't live in the USA, I'm just curious to know why you have so much gun violence - if in fact you do? Your population is 10X that of Australia's so I would expect you to have 10X the amount of violence. What do Americans think causes the alleged gun problem? If America does have a huge gun problem compared to the rest of the world than what is in the psychology of the people that makes them pull the trigger? What do you think could be done to fix the alleged gun problem, without having to take away guns?
In Australia we now have a thing called a coward punch. Back in my day it was know as a king hit(knock-out punch) and might occur during a fight, but these days some young people are just doing it. They will walk up behind a random person in the street and punch them in the back of the head - the idea is to knock them out cold so they can get kudos from their mates. Only some of the people were dying. That's when Australia renamed this a cowards punch. My son is 18yo now and of course in Australia that is drinking age so he hits the club scene occasionally, and one of the things I worry about as a mother is that he is going to be walking along and get coward punched in the back of the head. It's just wrong. I think it stems from young men missing a ritual of manhood - they want to be men. We haven't seen violence in this country of any magnitude and so they have no way of proving their manhood. Many don't have fathers which they can even learn from. I would like to see some kind of cadets or national service be reinstated for young men who aren't on a substantial path. Not to send them to the frontline, but maybe get them to help fight bush fires or send them overseas to build houses in disaster areas. Just something that will open their eyes a little to the world and satisfy their pride in them being men.
The Forum post is edited by ShadowLover Dec 25 '15
Owner Zach Black
Dec 25 '15
I am fine with restricting guns from violent felons. Other than that I think the laws already in place are fine. Besides, do you think criminals give a fuck about gun laws?
