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Anna
Anna Jul 27 '18

A woman who suffered mental health issues was demoted by managers and humiliated in front of her colleagues before she took her own life, a coronial inquest has heard.

Shortly before her death, Paula Schubert, who worked for 32 years for the Northern Territory’s child protection agency, had been asked by her manager to “show everyone” a doodle she had made during a meeting...

Her psychiatrist later told the inquest this particular incident was likely a “critical event” in her death, given she was suffering an “anxiety episode” at the time and “already under a degree of stress…to then have effectively a public humiliation in the workplace…”

Coroner Greg Cavanagh described the incident as shocking, despite the supervisor insisting the incident had been a “joke.”


Woman killed herself after being humiliated at work


I will spare myself the rant about the victim mentality that is so trendy nowadays. I know from my own personal experience that sometimes it's better to quit than endure the pressure for too long. But why take your own life if you can change the damn job?


All the commentators under the article blame the management but wasn't the woman too thin-skinned?

Does giving up (whether it is your career or relationship or whatever) always mean surrender? When is it better to endure the stress and when to opt for the change?

Anna
Anna Jul 27 '18
It's not really the problem with feminism but rather with pseudo-psychiatrists desperately trying to find a mental illness in anyone who can't cope with the daily life. Stress can cause a heart disease but, on the other hand, no one keeps you in a given job by force. You can opt for a less stressful job even if you're paid less. Or stand your ground. Which solution is better often depends on the circumstances.
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Jul 27 '18
I will argue it's better for the cohesiveness of a workplace to be gossipy, clique-minded, and mean.  It is how the human species castes itself naturally.


That "critical event" raised the morale of all that laughed at her.   


What likely lead to this particular person feeling ostracized was probably the writing on the wall she failed to read. 


Every fucking environment has the queer. Taking advantage of another's humiliation (bullying) is a pragmatic move if one hopes to stratify themselves in a competitive setting. 


Mammals are instinctually driven to identify disimilarities or anything that breaks the preference for a homogenized environment. 


These commentors should go teach the orca to not bully the weaker orca, or kill dolphins, smaller whales, sharks, seals, and sea lions for the fun of killing.  


Humans can't do that legally, so they pick on whatever the most apparent difference is. 

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Jul 27 '18
DrHemi666
DrHemi666 Aug 19 '18

To the OP

This is interesting, from how things are portrayed in the media anyways. I agree with the general premise of your argument, if your job sucks and your boss is being a huge dick, don't kill yourself, tell them to go eat shit.


But... The article is pretty light on for facts, the NY post is a tabloid I guess seeing as it's owned by uncle Rupert, the Australian is pretty agenda driven too these days... Generally ok, but it definitely leans a certain way politically


Here's the story from the ABC public media if you're interested, which goes into a bit more detail.

ABC article


The original piece in my opinion is written in a way to get a response from people who are sick of hearing about snowflakes playing the victim card ie she's a bit stressed at work so she topped herself. The detail that she had schizophrenia, among other things, is omitted, so it all becomes a bit less cut and dry and not so much of a WTF moment in my opinion, simply tabloid journalism playing to a market.



Anna
Anna Aug 20 '18
I don't think the fact that she had schizophrenia changes anything. If your mental issues interfere with your work, you're fired or, if you're lucky, transfered to another position. The exception is when you take sick leave. But when you come back, you're expected to fulfill your duties like all other employees. I can agree that it would be great if employers were more empathetic but it is what it is. Your colleagues don't give a shit either.

We also don't know why she was actually demoted. Could be that her employers were unfair or, perhaps, she worked a long time to lose their trust?

Anyway, sometimes you have to say "no" at work too. Make it polite but firm. Otherwise, you will be taken advantage of. No surprise here. Colleagues are usually selfish and tend to exploit people pleasers.

And there are times when you have to say goodbye. Better this than spend a large portion of your earned money on psychotherapy.
The Forum post is edited by Anna Aug 20 '18
DrHemi666
DrHemi666 Aug 20 '18
Again, I agree mostly with what you're saying. My badly worded point I was trying to get across was that the issue was a lot more complex than the original article implied. I doubt Coronial Inquests are started for every government employee that tops themselves. And in this case the employer was required to be more empathetic, by not being so they contravened the Australian anti-discrimination act. This is where the fact that she had schizophrenia does change things, I guess workplace relations laws are a bit different down here.


All things considered though I'd probably fucking top myself if I had to work with a few of the Territoians I've met...


"And there are times when you have to say goodbye. Better this than spend a large portion of your earned money on psychotherapy."


Totally agree, much better to spend your hard earned down the pub. Now I think of it, sounds like a splendid way to spend my afternoon off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuPfCm8KMg0

Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Aug 21 '18

Schizophrenia, eh? 


I gotta question the schizophrenia diagnoses of a person who has held stable employment for 32 years. Developed late in her career my motherfucking ass.  You snap at 22 or not all.


She fucked herself by eavesdropping. Trying to listen to everyone talking about her. Hypersensitivity will fuck you. After a while, and with enough neurotic self centered anxiety, the voices of coworkers can serenade  you through the night. 


Cry me a fucking river.



And *sometimes* YOU die when you listen to you.


Addendum:  Everyone can play this at home. If there a coworker you don't like just start having people talk about them just inside audible range, that is key. Make sure it's never close enough to hear clearly.  You need them to fill it in. Make up whatever bullshit reason you want, just keep people talking. Above all, NEVER admit you're doing it. This serves to gaslight them.  


All left to do is watch them turn into the bitch in this story.  


#TMZCulture


*Know if you actually do this the risk that the target answers with an AR-15 is there.



The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Aug 21 '18
Anna
Anna Aug 21 '18
People actually don't even have to talk about you.

If you're self-conscious and neurotic enough, you can think they are talking about you even if they don't give a fuck.

Like my acquaintance who forgot to wash her hair before getting on the train. "Oh my God, what will people think of my hair?" And all the time she was imagining  people looking at her hair and telling each other how terrible it looked like.

Or, perhaps, she didn't imagine it. Perhaps, her hair was so uniquely awful that all the people on that train just couldn't help discussing it?

Anyway, people can commit suicide for a variety of reasons, often unknown to their friends and relatives, but the latter somehow feel entitled to look for scapegoats.
The Forum post is edited by Anna Aug 21 '18
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Aug 21 '18

If you're self-conscious and neurotic enough, you can think they are talking about you even if they don't give a fuck.


That happens naturally after a few initial pushes. You need to give it a nudge first.


Anyway, interesting true story.


I actually learned this from a girl I used to do blow with. 


Her own sick fucking mother did it to her after she posted something on Facebook the mother didn't like reading. Apparently the pent up, we-left-Canada-because-I-got-caught-fucking-the-13-year-old-girl-next-door psychopath felt it necessary to have people start rumors about her own daughter at her job.

I remember I picked her up the day she quit. She confronted her J6 coworkers and they fed her bullshit, so she quit. 


She came to find out the reason her mother infiltrated her life and did that to her was because she 'lost her way and had to be shown back to god'.   The goal being to fuck with her head until she believed she was crazy like her mom (angels commanded her to do it), demonically posessed, or something along those lines. She also warned me the psycho mom was going to come after me for corrupting her.  Sadly, this is a thing people do.  

* On a side note the fucked up mom gets tortured by the older brother with his refusal to ever let the bitch hold, see, or have any interaction with her "grandkids". Disowned.  



The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Aug 21 '18
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