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Anna
Anna Apr 21 '18
Why it's worth listening to people you disagree with?

In this talk, the speaker says that the ability to listen to controversial, even offensive, ideas can broaden our understanding of others and make us stronger. Although he's black, he often causes controversy by inviting to the campus racist speakers. It's worth listening to the guy, in my opinion, because he sounds really reasonable.

But anyway, what's your attitude to the controversial ideas? By "controversial" I don't mean what offends average Joe but any ideas you personally find despicable or repugnant, if there are any? Do you find any value in them or immediately dismiss them? if you strongly disagree with something, do you debate it or sit down, listen and try to understand what appears or, perhaps, is nonsense?
The Forum post is edited by Anna Apr 21 '18
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Apr 21 '18
Often on these boards I see many people attempting to do something in "real life" to change the world.  This is mine...  And it's simple: "Stop finding things so fucking controversial. The western world is full of enough crocodile tears to drown Israel 6 million times over." 


 Be offended when it involves you personally and give them adversarial hell. Unfortuneately, more often than not, it's some causehead bleeding out their pussified heart about something they dont like, but doesn't directly concern them. This is a variation of "for the children" that has found its use outside puritan values with political correctness mandates.  


Rule of thumb: If you use purely your "empathy" to motivate you on your righteous cause you will help the world more in suicide. 


And that's my controversial view.

The Forum post is edited by Dark Enlightenment Apr 21 '18
Anna
Anna Apr 21 '18
Quote from Dark EnlightenmentAnd it's simple: "Stop finding things so fucking controversial. The western world is full of enough crocodile tears to drown Israel 6 million times over." 

So we no longer put them in gas chambers but try to drown them in our crocodile tears?


But now seriously, what if it DOES concern you? What giving someone an "adversarial hell" would entail specifically? Punching an offender in the face?

MistressMage666 Member
MistressMage666 Apr 21 '18
Subjectivity is a variable to be recognized. I know there are extremes that most find "repugnant" or "controversial", but rarely is there a unanimous opinion amongst multiple individuals. On the subject of such, an immediate response is often defined by state of mind at the time: hungry? Sleep deprived? Ecstatic manic? Sexually frustrated? Impulse responses happen for all, but I am learning that taking in information and really "understanding" it can take time. Some mastication may be required and alternate perspectives can bring info to light that may not have been recognized on one's own. Easier said than done at times, but I am endeavoring to use critical thinking daily, which pushes you to consider all possibilities and their merit (not just the things you agree with)
Dark Enlightenment
Dark Enlightenment Apr 21 '18
This is a trap question, Anna, If i cite personal retribution you might say, "What if that  includes advocating for a cause that personally affects you?"  If I say "Whatever you need to do" it includes advocation.


That's why I brought up empathy, and now will add degree of separation and method. A key question here would be, Do you feel validated by changing an opinion you don't like? Do you gain satisfaction through pushing your "better way" and why? 


But to you're question as it relates to me:


If they have a face to punch, the last scene of Season 1 of Orange is the New Black covers it.  If it is not a person but an occurance I was fighting, I'd feel I was wasting my time caring.



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